Billy Bob Thornton Bad Santa Wanna Play Again
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Baton Bob Thornton has never played the same character twice — until now. In Bad Santa 2 , he once more dons the identity of the dissolute, drunken, cocky-loathing department store Santa and safecracker Willie Soke, this time roped into knocking over a Chicago charity on Christmas Eve by his old and still shady partner Marcus (Tony Cox).
Still trailing loyally behind Willie like a twisted puppy domestic dog is "the kid," Thurman Merman (Brett Kelly), who is now an adult but still has a unique perspective on the world. And the flick introduces two new characters: the charity'due south buttoned-up but sexually rambunctious director (Christina Hendricks) and Willie's female parent, Sunny (Kathy Bates), whose ain depression standards of what it ways to be a decent human being make her son expect like a shining example of ethics and morality.
Bad Santa 2 follows in the footsteps of the 2003 cult archetype, a raunchy, potty-mouthed comedy of questionable taste with a heart of gold — or least gold paint — at its cadre. As for its star, Baton Bob Thornton has too many credits to listing, only his standout performances in movies similar Sling Blade (which he also directed), Monster's Ball , One False Move , Friday Night Lights and the get-go Bad Santa , too equally recent TV excursions like Fargo and Goliath , speak for themselves. Information technology was Den of Geek's pleasure to speak with this gifted grapheme actor recently in Los Angeles.
Yous haven't played the same grapheme twice before. What made Bad Santa the one?
Billy Bob Thornton: Generally dramas aren't every bit made for sequels as comedies are. Nosotros e'er knew we'd make a sequel. Nosotros didn't know when. We knew we weren't going to do it within the first couple years. Then at that place was some studio red tape to get through, because the studio changed hands a couple of times and everything. Once all that got ironed out, it took u.s. three or 4 years to get the right story. Nosotros went through several drafts of dissimilar ideas, story ideas. We knew nosotros would do it if we got the right one. In other words, we didn't just want to throw a sequel out there and make it broader than the first i, and that'due south what usually the natural progression is.
This ane has a more independent film feel than the start one did in a lot of ways. Information technology's only one of those characters that, first of all, people wanted it. The fans wanted it, and if they tell you that, and so you've got to mind. It's admittedly a character I love playing. I mean, who wouldn't? It's but fun to do. As well, I think we wanted to show a slightly deeper level of who the grapheme was and where he came from. Then you have the mother character. So all of a sudden, you lot say okay, this is a wounded child who doesn't desire to love annihilation, because he's afraid he'll destroy it. You know what I hateful? He sees himself in this poor Thurman Merman. He's somebody who only self-medicates because he actually does still have hope, which is probably the bane of his existence.
It's similar, "I wish I could but lay down and dice, but the fact is, is I think at that place is something." In this case that is the Christmas spirit in Willie's listen — that aye, maybe the child'southward all right, but he'due south then afraid to live life considering it's and then wounded.
He clings to some sort of humanity, unlike his female parent.
Yeah, exactly.
Do you remember some of the other ideas that were tossed around? Was the mother e'er involved in some of the early stories?
It was going to exist the male parent, originally. Merely we felt that the father would exist simply like having two Willies. Information technology would just be likewise shut. That manner if yous make it the woman, it separates it a trivial more, and also the boy wanting his mother's love, and that kind of affair. Whereas, if it was the old man, it'southward similar pals that hate each other now. There was one story that took place in Mexico that had to do with an orphanage and all this stuff. We went through that for i. It was very good. At the end of the day, I think this story was only a piffling stronger. Everybody felt that they wanted to this time put it in an actual Christmas Eve setting, with the snow and the whole thing. Whereas the Mexico version would accept been more than like when did in Arizona. That came into play likewise.
But at present you have a couple of ideas around if there'due south a clamoring for Bad Santa 3 somewhere downwards the line.
Yeah, we got a couple of ideas, yep we practise. Who knows if we'll every do another one, simply if we did, we do have a couple of ideas.
Obviously, some of the original cast members are not with us any more (note: John Ritter and Bernie Mac have both passed on), but was it important that at least some of band get dorsum together, like Tony and Brett?
Oh absolutely. Let'south practise the ZZ Height of the movie, we could go there. I idea that we would have Marcus in some form, but perhaps not too much. There was going to be a new place in this story, and I figured Marcus might come into it somewhere. There was talk of non having the kid at all, and I protested a lot over that. I said, "No." I said, "You don't understand. This is not just Bad Santa. Bad Santa's not a bad Santa without Marcus and and so the kid. That's just not correct. You absolutely have to have him." Thank goodness cooler heads prevailed, and it worked out the style it did.
Did you stay in impact with those guys over the years?
Yeah, nosotros saw them a few times over the years. Brett went to college, and I was playing in that location in my ring in Vancouver when he every bit about xvi or and then. And so his family came out and saw the states. A niggling harder to see him, because he is up in Vancouver. Tony I've seen over the years. He'd drop past every at present and so. We had a couple of mutual friends. Something about wanting the iii of us to get together, information technology was merely 1 of those things. We just fell right dorsum into information technology. Information technology's the same old thing. Tony is so good at cussing me out. I just beloved it. Information technology makes me laugh.
Do people oftentimes come upwards to you lot on the street quoting lines at you all the fourth dimension?
Oh, sure.
It's one of the more quotable movies of the last 15 years.
Yeah, a lot of quotes from that movie. Probably that and Sling Blade I become the most quotes from, I would imagine. There'southward another movies that take one or two, just this one has a lot of them.
What did Kathy bring to the mix? You and Tony and Brett had that chemistry already but how did Kathy add to that and get into the spirit of what you guys were doing?
Well I remember a lot of it is that Kathy played it straight, which I try to do as well. Y'all effort to not go for humor. People don't always know that. We played it just equally if we were that mother and son who had this vile human relationship. Like I said, I recall having the mother as opposed to a father actually works better. You get to meet a boy with his mother. In reality Kathy's only eight years, nine years older, something like that, and then nosotros decided that she had Willie when she was 13, which makes information technology skillful anyhow. Of course she did!
Kathy and I worked together 20 years ago in Primary Colors , but we didn't have much with each other in that movie. It was real good to be around her. She'southward a lovely woman and all. Christina (Hendricks), also. Very, very nice person. I estimate she filled the Lauren Graham part from the first movie. We missed Lauren, merely because she was so great to be around as well, and that human relationship so absurd. But nosotros would accept been forced to take her in the movie. We would accept had to invent something that wasn't that plausible to have her in information technology.
In improver to this, you lot have a Television evidence out now, Goliath, on Amazon. You did Fargo. Is Television set opening upward a lot of new doors for yous? Perhaps also in terms of directing over again?
Absolutely, that's not a question, sure. I don't know about directing. Possibly. I mean, let's say I created something for TV maybe, and wanted to exercise the airplane pilot but to set up the tone. I can see myself doing that. I remember as a moving picture director, I'm pretty much over, because I hateful, I've never had a successful motion-picture show every bit manager except for Sling Bract . I think the movies that I write and directly for the movie theater are not the kind of movies that are really all at the peak of the list that people want to see, considering I'grand influenced by Southern novelists and people similar Steinbeck, and that kind of affair. I just don't recollect that'south the movie audience whatsoever more. Probably television is a better place for information technology.
Before we go, I know you're a baseball game fan, what did you recall of the Cubs winning it all?
Well, I'thou a Cardinals fan, nosotros're rivals.
I know that.
Just yeah, huge. God bless them. It'south been then long, and you got to tip your chapeau to them. Information technology's been such a long road for them, and Cubs fans accept but been desperate for all these years. Even though they're our biggest rival, you lot yet have to tip your hat to them.
Bad Santa 2 is out in theaters tomorrow (Wednesday, Nov 23).
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